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hello hello hello everyone

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just gonna wait a second just check all

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of my settings are correct

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hey guys how's it going please let me

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know in the comments if you can hear me

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loud and clear how is everyone

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good to see so many of you here this has

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been a long time coming

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yeah can everybody hear me okay

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fantastic

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so we all know why we're here

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i will just start off by saying i

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appreciate you all being here and

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commenting in that but can we please

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keep the comments respectful

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we may all have different views

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different opinions

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about me about about lou but if we can

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just

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remember that we all want the same thing

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at the end of the day so just try and be

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respectful

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and so i think let's uh let's bring in

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welcome sir well thank you very much

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vinnie it's

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certainly good to be here and i really

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appreciate uh not only your patience

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uh but also that of your audience really

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really glad to be here

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hey it's my pleasure you know we're all

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we all have things going on in our lives

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and uh

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that can't be helped sometimes i'm just

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glad that we were able to rearrange and

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you're here now for everyone so so thank

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my pleasure so without further ado

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i'm going to jump straight into

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something that's that's right up to date

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so obviously we couldn't do our

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discussion last week because you were in

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dc on business

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um and after listening to your chat with

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mr jimmy church

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you laid out that you were you had met

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with the inspector general

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and so i just wondered if you were able

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to give us an update on

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on what's been said because i know you

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had a quite a long meeting with them

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um so if you're able to talk about that

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i think a lot of people are quite

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intrigued by

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it yeah sure so so first of all let me

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explain to to your audience who some of

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some folks may not be aware

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what the role of the inspector general

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is um for the department of defense and

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the intelligence community

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think of it uh from the days of watching

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these old cop shows and police shows

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internal affairs okay so what the ig is

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is identifying any type of internal

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to the department in this case

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department of defense and then making

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and solutions for the secretary to to

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those issues or those those those

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so they are an independent body they

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don't fall under anybody

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himself or herself whoever's in charge

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best interests of the department

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in this particular case uh the

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who who had a had a pleasure speaking

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with um this time was a gentleman named

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harvey stone

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uh uh of the dod

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the dod made an announcement that

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they're doing this evaluation to see how

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the pentagon has over the last several

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years been handling this topic

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they are not trying to necessarily get

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anybody in trouble they're not trying to

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play gotcha they simply want to to

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find what is broken and then

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fix whatever is is

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has been identified as being broken um

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i i'm out of respect for the dod ig and

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to allow them to do their work i'm not

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going to go into a lot of details

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other than the fact that they seem very

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trying to to find uh where those

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to help them understand the landscape

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uaps and as it relates to a tip

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and and the pentagon and then um you

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public relations perspective but also my

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secretary

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the time in his program one of the

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to to establish the facts of of you know

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what what atip was and and what my role

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what what what we were doing um so i

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think the department of defense

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recognizes that there's been some

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and whether they were deliberate or or a

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of uh you know perhaps some sort of

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uh is is is gonna be is has his remains

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intent within the ig to figure that out

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and then hopefully be able to to provide

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recommendations moving forward

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so we can have a collective conversation

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about this while ensuring transparency

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with the american people

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wonderful that makes perfect sense

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thanks for clarifying that

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and this case that you're involved in

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sorry this evaluation

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the one related to your missing emails

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evaluation about looking into

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the dod in the pentagons how they're

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this is separate isn't it well so

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so there is another um issue that we

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we're dealing with right now

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and that is the the uh

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allegations that all my emails have been

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deleted and and here's why that's

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problematic because the stated purpose

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uh that they they deleted the the

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predicate for deleting my emails

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was the fact that they were quote

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unquote historically not relevant

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now if you look at the time when i was

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dealing with i had two fundamental

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portfolios and the first one was one

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uh trials at guantanamo bay so the

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individuals

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who were allegedly responsible for the 9

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terrorist attacks in our country and

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then the other portfolio was the a-tip

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portfolio which i was i was also running

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to be the trial of the century

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coming up and then the other one is the

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perhaps the most profound question we

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and what was the pentagon's role in that

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i i find it very hard to believe that

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neither one of those topics was ever

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deemed historically relevant um

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that just doesn't make sense no so right

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so and if so those emails were supposed

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to be kept into perpetuity which means

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they're kept forever

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um and so uh we have really two two

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my my emails were deleted which we've

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got a then a

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significant problem on our hands because

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complete incompetence or it was

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deliberate as part of a cover-up okay

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yeah neither one of those are really

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good or the other option is that they

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didn't delete my emails

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uh and that either they were misinformed

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which doesn't look good for the pentagon

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or once again that someone is

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deliberately playing games here and

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trying to obfuscate which again doesn't

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it it it's very sad for me because at

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i'm not look i i i'm trying to help the

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pentagon i'm trying to help the

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department of defense get out of this

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situation they've backed themselves into

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a corner for for a lot of years

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yeah i i'm not trying to make them look

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foolish

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i can't excuse out outright lying to the

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american people you can't

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you can't tell the american people on

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truth you don't have to tell them

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everything there's times you can say hey

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no statement you know no comment

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i can't confirm or deny but but you

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can't lie to the american people

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i'm not going to go into what those

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those exceptions are right now but but

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they're they're they're legal exceptions

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either legally defined uh by the letter

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of the law

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um and and this is not one of those

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cases so

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you know what what exactly is going on

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here and why why is it

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important to to now delete my records

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uh yeah on a conversation involving uaps

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unless you're trying to hide something

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yeah and was it just emails or the

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were there files as well that may have

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contained classified information

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it was all new files it was the shared

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folder that had all the

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so this is why i really have a hard time

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believing they deleted anything because

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there's no way you're going to say that

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the entire pentagon's ufo files are not

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historically

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right i mean guys come on i've been been

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born at night but not last night right

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yeah so you know

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that's why i think this this this story

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is still evolving and i don't think

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anybody buys the fact that they've

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deleted my emails there's no way in hell

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unless they really really really really

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are trying hard to cover their asses

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absolutely i mean emails are one thing

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but files as well that have

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pertained to such important information

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i mean there's been a lot of talk

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speculating how long the emails should

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have been around until they get deleted

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you know people were saying up until

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other people other than a minimum

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right uh but when you go through the

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trail of emails you realize that it

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wasn't like they just did it

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yesterday which would have been like

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three and a half year mark apparently

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they deleted my files like

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a year ago possibly a year and a half

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ago so uh

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and then of course there's other

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categories of information that the work

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i did

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uh is supposed to be kept forever it

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never gets sure

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yeah that makes more sense to me uh when

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you actually think about it

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so well listen thank you so much for

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clarifying that um

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so moving on we know that also this past

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week that officials from the navy and

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the fbi gave a classified briefing to

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members of the house permanent select

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committee

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on intelligence counterterrorism etc

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so there's a lot of people that really

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are skeptical about these things are

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they getting the right information the

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right number of cases talked about

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um so i mean

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these 120 cases

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is it something are they getting the

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best cases

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are they are they getting given the

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right data

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or is it just something to to delay to

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delay this issue coming out

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well what can you say about that eco is

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probably more like 170 cases but i

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right okay um but they only started from

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the nimitz incident and moved forward

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they didn't really look at the the the

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complete history of of

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of the us involvement with this topic

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right um i think

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it was uh the effort was was an honest

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attempt to try to begin the conversation

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uh what we do know is that the the

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information provided by the director of

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national intelligence and the secretary

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of defense

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have now stated for the record and

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emphatically that this is not our

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technology

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so that's that's that's a big deal right

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that's that's that that is that is a

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huge admission because that only leaves

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two possibilities

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it's either foreign adversarial

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technology or it's not

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meaning it's something else it's a

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completely different paradigm

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and so on one hand the government either

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has to admit this is the greatest

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intelligence failure

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that we have ever faced in our country

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eclipsing

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911 by an order of magnitude because

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somehow some country over 70 years

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has managed to technologically leapfrog

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ahead of us

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using this technology and we have no

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idea

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or that this is something else again

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that this is this is a much bigger

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question about about our species and

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humanity and that's that's where we're

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at that's that's that's where the

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conversation is right now

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um i do think that um i think that

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congress will will hopefully see this

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and realize that we have to get ahead of

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this we have to figure what's going on

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i i i think congress will have the

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wisdom to to establish a more long-term

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enduring capability that's not just

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going to be a task force

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which is usually set up to solve a

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temporary problem

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yeah and is something that's going to

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hopefully include the whole of

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government approach including faa and

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department of homeland security and

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department of energy and noaa and

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you know perhaps national science

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foundation get the best and brightest

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academics and and

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and and scientists academics

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uh all involved uh that's what we need

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absolutely yeah and i think

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i think we're good but you know if i

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made vinnie i'd like to share something

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with you i haven't

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please i haven't really discussed this

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with anybody um

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but here here is probably the biggest

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challenge we have right now

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is not necessarily uh

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figuring out what's what's up there in

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our skies

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i think the biggest challenge we have

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right now is with ourselves and that is

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what does disclosure mean and people you

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know everybody you ask is going to have

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a different definition but

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but specifically first of all what is

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disclosure

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who who's going to determine when we've

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reached disclosure

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right that okay now we have disclosure i

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mean and then also who decides

404
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uh you know where we go from here

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ultimately um it may be by consensus i

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don't know but but

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who is going to be the one to say we are

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now

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disclosure because some would argue

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we've

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just had it it's just it's already

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happened it was and

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some have said well we haven't had it

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yet unless you know we have something

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landing in the the white house lawn

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uh you know we we first need to decide

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that as a people what does disclosure

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mean and

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and and how do we know when once we get

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there right and then we need to make

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sure

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that whoever we empower uh to make the

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recommendations

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and determination on on where do we go

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from here

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um i i'm always very careful to allow

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uh people in our governmental

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institutions to make that decision on

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our behalf

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uh unless they have you know if you will

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the

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i i think i trust an elected official uh

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to

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more than

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uh a government bureaucrat only because

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in theory they they represent the will

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of their constituents

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yeah one would hope that that's you know

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what what they're doing

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um but these are questions we have to

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ask ourselves

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and and then maybe the big question is

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do we decide

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as a society that you know we're not

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going to let anybody make that

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determination for us we're going to make

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that determination

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right we're going to decide when we've

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reached disclosure and we're going gonna

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make the determination

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and where we go from here uh and then

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government will execute that as as will

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of the people

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not the other way around yeah and i

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think that's

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you know we we need to know internally

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and externally what does victory look

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like how do you know you've

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you you've you've reached the next goal

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post

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if you will and the next waypoint um

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because it's important when you're

463
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navigating on a map

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you know if you want to know where

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you're going you have to first of all

466
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know where you've been to know where you

467
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even are right now and then once you

468
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know where you are then you can design

469
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right because otherwise you can find

470
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yourself way off course yeah and this is

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a conversation we

472
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we haven't had yet with ourselves and

473
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it's something that we we desperately

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need to do and we need to do it soon

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like now

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yeah uh if you were to ask me no

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absolutely and it's like something that

478
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you've said before about disclosure

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being a process

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um and i feel that we we have just

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started the journey

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and we may not know where the journey is

483
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going to end or how long it's going to

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take to get there but i think it's a

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positive thing that we

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have started the journey and we it looks

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like we have started it together and we

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are all in it

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as one and i think it's a big step it's

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something that's not

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we wanted to happen from a long time ago

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so

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but by the way vinnie before i forget if

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i may hear

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um i do want to do one quick shout out

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to to somebody

497
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um there was uh i received a tweet from

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somebody i won't say who because he

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wanted anonymity

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but apparently their daughter is uh has

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just joined

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the british intelligence community oh

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wow and

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uh is uh fairly excited about it and i

505
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just wanted to offer a a

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a very warm heartfelt congratulations

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uh it is a profound honor when you are

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selected to

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to serve your country uh in that type of

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capacity

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and i just wanted to do a very quick

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shout out uh

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if if she happens to be listening to

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this podcast i just want to say

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congratulations very well done

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and you know who knows maybe we'll we'll

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meet up sometime in the field

518
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you never know and actually i i did see

519
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that tweet so uh

520
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no that's great yeah so if you're

521
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watching there you go

522
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so lou just carrying on from what we

523
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were just saying about the briefing that

524
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was just just happened last week

525
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and we did hear a few statements from

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some of the representatives afterwards

527
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but the one that really stood out was i

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think it was peter welch who sort of

529
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said i'm not on the edge of my seat

530
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now that doesn't say a lot for us the

531
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public

532
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who are sat here you know desperate to

533
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get information on what might be coming

534
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through

535
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,839
this june 25th report i mean what do you

536
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,360
think about that statement that it's

537
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kind of downplaying it a little bit

538
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:18,559
well i think no i think it's honest i

539
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think what he's saying is look we don't

540
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have enough information right now to

541
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establish what this is i'm not on the

542
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edge of my seat because

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i don't have enough information to to to

544
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to provide any type of of

545
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of recommended outcome of what this is

546
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it's we have more questions than answers

547
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at this point

548
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um you know someone else had indicated

549
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that they think we should have at some

550
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,400
point

551
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,799
congressional hearings on this and uh i

552
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think that's absolutely what we need hey

553
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,840
man let's let's you want to be

554
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transparent put your money where your

555
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,440
mouth is let's do this you know

556
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uh i'm i'm certainly game for that you

557
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know if you if the government gives me

558
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an ability to have a conversation about

559
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,559
things i've been privy to

560
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hey you know and i don't got to worry

561
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,640
about violating my nda

562
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,960
i'll do it now let's go weight off your

563
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,160
shoulders maybe

564
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,039
yeah that's great yeah let's just talk

565
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,480
about something that i've been seeing a

566
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,840
lot recently through my

567
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my instagram account and stuff like that

568
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:11,120
is this where do you

569
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the use of the word threat every single

570
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,840
day people assume that when as soon as

571
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:17,280
that word's mentioned that we're talking

572
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,400
about

573
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:21,120
um these whatever they are beings

574
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:21,760
objects

575
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,559
that they're here with hostile intents

576
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,320
um it seems like people are jumping from

577
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:28,320
zero to 100 without actually thinking

578
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:29,679
about everything in between right we're

579
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,320
not saying

580
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,120
threat in a hostile way could you just

581
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:35,039
talk about that and talk on that and how

582
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:35,679
we need to

583
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:38,480
be careful yeah that's a great point

584
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,360
great point you know

585
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,880
we we're looking at this to determine

586
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:42,240
whether or not this is a potential

587
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:43,200
threat

588
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,799
speak there's really it's a very simple

589
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:47,840
calculus you have

590
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:50,160
capabilities versus intent now we've

591
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,919
seen some of the capabilities

592
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,440
we have no idea the intent so we don't

593
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,120
know if this is a threat okay and second

594
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:56,480
of all there is a fundamental difference

595
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,200
between

596
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,760
a potential threat and hostile intent

597
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:01,679
and that's a fact so i've often said if

598
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,720
i go to the airport

599
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,799
and i jump on a 737 to fly to let's say

600
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,840
colorado

601
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,520
there's no threat there but if i were to

602
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,120
let's say now be on the runway when one

603
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,559
of these things is passing by and i

604
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,400
happen to get behind the jet engine

605
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,559
at the wrong time you know there's a

606
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:15,919
process there's a biological threat

607
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,240
there

608
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,960
i'm gonna probably go deaf and lose my

609
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,160
hearing i'm probably gonna get burned

610
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:21,520
and blown all over the place

611
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,679
maybe break a few bones so you know it's

612
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,720
not that the engine is

613
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,039
necessarily trying to be a threat to me

614
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,559
it's not an intentional threat

615
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:29,760
it's just a consequence of the

616
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,600
technology that i i wound up

617
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,720
being at the wrong place at the wrong

618
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,200
time so that's one thing about threat

619
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,240
um the other thing is hostile intent you

620
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,520
know they're they're

621
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:41,120
we're not fear-mongering here we're

622
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,400
first of all we're not even sure if it

623
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,919
is a threat we're trying to determine is

624
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,559
it or not

625
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:46,000
and anybody who says well we already

626
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:47,360
know you know and you should be wasting

627
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,039
your time on that no you don't know

628
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,720
okay you think you know and you want to

629
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,880
sit here and tell people that

630
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,480
in your mind that this is a threat but

631
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:56,320
you know what you can't gamble with my

632
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,720
life

633
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,840
i'm not going to allow you you don't

634
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,200
have the right to do that if you want to

635
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,880
go ahead and gamble with your life

636
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,559
then god bless you go ahead and do it

637
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:04,159
but don't gamble with mine don't gamble

638
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:05,600
with my families don't gamble with my

639
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,080
friends

640
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,240
let them make a determination whether or

641
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:09,600
not they think something like this could

642
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,559
be a threat to them

643
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:12,159
and and a threat could be anything it

644
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:13,200
could be threat to your to your

645
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,720
philosophical belief systems

646
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,320
it can be an environmental threat it can

647
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,480
be all sorts of different threats

648
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,960
you know we need to figure it out is

649
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,640
there a potential threat here

650
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,480
which not doesn't even come close to yet

651
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,080
talking about hostile intent

652
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,919
of course and i think people will will

653
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,520
say all the time well you know

654
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,880
we want to make sure this is not

655
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:32,159
fear-mongering we're going to use this

656
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,440
to go ahead and build you know more

657
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,000
space-based

658
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:36,480
weapons that's that's utter nonsense

659
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,280
we're not there

660
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,720
we're we're not even there in a

661
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,799
conversation yeah we're just finally

662
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:42,000
trying to determine what the hell this

663
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,880
thing is

664
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,520
so you know that that's that's part of

665
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:47,039
my frustration i deal with on a daily

666
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,720
basis so you automatically see that

667
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,960
right you see us army or the

668
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,320
intelligence officer

669
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,600
and these are people that when you look

670
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,360
at their social media profile

671
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,440
you know they they support all these the

672
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,880
these human rights

673
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,840
and and and whatnot and non-stereotypes

674
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:03,520
and the first one to come out and say oh

675
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,240
look he's a

676
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,080
a military guy you can never count you

677
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:07,440
can never trust them

678
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:11,440
what that's crazy do you do you do you

679
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,919
not

680
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,679
see the contradiction in that

681
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,520
perspective you know

682
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,360
al i first of all never said is a threat

683
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:18,880
i said we're trying to determine if it's

684
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,600
a threat

685
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,240
you've got nothing to worry about who

686
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:23,600
cares why what do you what do you care

687
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,880
what i what i'm doing with

688
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,480
to determine for me if it's a threat or

689
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,240
not you know if you've already made that

690
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,520
mental

691
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,880
conclusion that it's not then you know

692
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,640
god bless you but don't stop me from

693
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,320
doing what i need to do my own personal

694
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,200
calculus

695
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,360
for me to make that determination myself

696
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,039
absolutely

697
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,960
yeah i mean that's what i say to people

698
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,559
if something's incurring in our

699
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,320
sensitive airspace over nuclear

700
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,080
facilities and military

701
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:48,080
sensitive areas then i mean it doesn't

702
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,200
just fall straight away

703
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,039
under a national security threat until

704
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:53,039
proven otherwise look our governments

705
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,520
spend

706
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,559
millions and millions and millions of

707
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,400
dollars just ours all of ours on

708
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,080
protecting its national borders and its

709
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,000
sovereignty that is the job of the

710
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,760
national security apparatus

711
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,440
that is what your taxpayer dollars pay

712
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,280
for if you don't think it's important

713
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,799
then tell your congress people it's not

714
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:08,240
important don't pay your tax money for

715
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,720
that

716
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,480
and you know we don't have a we won't

717
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,679
have a military national security

718
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,559
apparatus

719
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,240
okay fine but as long as we have a

720
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,600
national security apparatus

721
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,679
that's his job don't get mad at the

722
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,960
government for doing the job it's

723
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,280
supposed to do

724
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,120
brilliant thank you so much right let's

725
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,039
move on to something i really don't i

726
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:26,400
don't think i've heard you talk about

727
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,120
really

728
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,720
so you recently appeared on an episode

729
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,039
of expedition unknown

730
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,640
expedition x i believe it was called

731
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,640
sorry which focused on catalina island

732
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:35,440
and the uap

733
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,080
sightings relating to the ocean and at

734
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,520
one point during the show you took a

735
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,360
water sample from an area just off the

736
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,880
coast of the island

737
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,200
where there'd been some strong magnetic

738
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,559
readings

739
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,400
and i think the water sample turned out

740
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,880
that it had higher than normal cesium

741
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,159
isotope levels

742
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,240
and can you confirm this and maybe

743
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,400
extrapolate on any significance to those

744
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,080
findings

745
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,600
well you know we it was my

746
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:01,200
recommendation to do to do the water

747
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:02,159
sampling test

748
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,120
um obviously if if uaps or ufos are also

749
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:10,159
usos or related to usos uh

750
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,360
you know one of the things you want to

751
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,440
do is determine the the effects on the

752
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,760
its environment and biology right so the

753
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:17,120
one of the easiest ways and cheapest

754
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,159
ways to do that is

755
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,159
just take a water test right now let's

756
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,360
let's let's

757
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,200
not forget here that you've got a lot of

758
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,039
flow rate you got a lot of water coming

759
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,320
up and down the coast

760
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,600
you know the water that you're sampling

761
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,000
now may have been you know

762
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,640
100 miles away out into the deep ocean

763
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,400
just 24 hours earlier so

764
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,919
you got to be careful but if there is a

765
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,159
persistent source

766
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,000
that is is let's say uh

767
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,120
contaminating the the local waters you

768
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,840
should be able to test for that now

769
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,520
the fact that you have more cesium is

770
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,440
interesting but there are things that

771
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,039
mankind does

772
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,799
that that will create that cesium

773
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,679
especially chemical type waste and and

774
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,559
it turns out

775
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,640
that there are some of these there was a

776
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,000
recent article done

777
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,039
that uh over the course of 70 plus years

778
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,640
there's been a lot of

779
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,440
contamination in that water because

780
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,559
there's been a lot of

781
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,600
of waste and it's not just chemical

782
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:17,440
waste but could even potentially be

783
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,880
radioactive waste could that be answered

784
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:22,000
could that be the reason why there's

785
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,039
more cesium

786
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,400
we don't know but i will tell you that

787
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,400
we do have some samples very interesting

788
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,760
and by the way

789
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,360
expedition x didn't know this i did not

790
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,039
share this information with them so

791
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,880
i wanted to see for myself and i didn't

792
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:35,360
want to i didn't want to do anything to

793
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:38,559
artificially prejudice the the analysis

794
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:39,200
here

795
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:42,880
sure but we do have some samples uh

796
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,919
allegedly of some pretty exotic material

797
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,200
that has

798
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,279
interesting high levels of cesium with

799
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:51,520
some interesting isotopic ratios

800
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,559
so uh that that that is true and so the

801
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,520
question is

802
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,640
uh is this potentially related or

803
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,799
is it not is it just you know hey you

804
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:02,480
know we got a lot of lot of industrial

805
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,440
waste off the coast of

806
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,679
los angeles and you know that's that's

807
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,039
the consequence of that you know

808
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:09,600
so we don't know it it's certainly uh

809
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,320
intriguing

810
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,480
uh but we don't have enough data yet to

811
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,640
to have any any real conclusion

812
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,640
but is that still an area of focus that

813
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,320
is ongoing like you say that

814
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,880
it could have some really valuable sure

815
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,960
all the way down the guadalupe island

816
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,960
right so there's there definitely if you

817
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,720
talk not just military personnel where

818
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:28,000
you talk to the local fishermen

819
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,279
who are their own right trained

820
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:31,360
observers they've been spent generations

821
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,480
on those waters

822
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,840
they know what's natural and what's not

823
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,960
natural they've seen it all from

824
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,320
bioluminescence to

825
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,840
you know one phenomenon and ball

826
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,360
lightning um

827
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
and you know what they're reporting is

828
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,360
is is very very similar to what the

829
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:44,960
military eyewitnesses are reporting

830
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,679
there's something there um it is it is

831
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,320
one of the

832
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,400
the hot spots now the question is it a

833
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,080
hot spot because there's actually more

834
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:53,840
activity or is it a hot spot because

835
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,120
we happen to have more eyes if you will

836
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,840
in the area uh both on on the water and

837
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,679
and looking in the skies we have

838
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,840
uh military maneuvers going on and

839
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,799
exercises we have

840
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,480
you know sophisticated radar data and

841
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,720
equipment going on you've got two huge

842
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,960
metropolitan areas between san diego and

843
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,799
tijuana and also of course

844
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,120
los angeles all you know very very

845
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,400
centrally focused

846
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,760
um we we don't know yet um but there

847
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,919
does appear to be a a high prevalence of

848
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,480
uap

849
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,600
activity in in that area

850
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,120
great thank you so much i found that

851
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,960
really interesting um and just

852
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,799
sticking with that that series then

853
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,320
there was a video called from the cliff

854
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:34,080
side i think it was in the first episode

855
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,880
which

856
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,799
have you seen that clip and it was

857
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,320
caught from the cliffside

858
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,520
um and it showed a uap performing pretty

859
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,799
strange maneuvers

860
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,240
i mean a lot of people say that it's

861
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,880
just the tv show making it up for tvs

862
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,720
purposes for entertainment

863
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,880
can you clarify anything about that at

864
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:53,360
all well i'll tell you my my impression

865
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,679
and

866
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,000
you know i i don't know the hosts very

867
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,679
well but my impression that both

868
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,480
uh josh gates and his programming and

869
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,520
and his uh

870
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,760
his hosts are always trying to portray

871
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,120
an accurate picture i i

872
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,960
when i was there i didn't notice them

873
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,799
doctoring anything in fact one of them

874
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,159
is a biologist

875
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,480
yeah a scientist and he he's when you

876
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,360
talk to him he

877
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,679
he'll tell you hey look you know i i'm a

878
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,720
scientist you know i

879
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,840
i prefer in following the scientific

880
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,399
method um i

881
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,320
i don't think they they are prone to

882
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,080
hoaxing anything that was not my

883
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,640
impression they seemed very sincere in

884
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,840
their approach

885
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:30,399
um you know it's hard with a tv show

886
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,279
because

887
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:33,600
tv has to be not only factual but in

888
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,320
order for

889
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,000
tv to be successful it has to be

890
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,840
entertaining of course and

891
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,360
this has always been my frustration

892
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,720
because i'm not an entertainer i'm not

893
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,320
an actor you know which with me is what

894
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,520
you see is what you get

895
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,679
yeah i'm not particularly talented in

896
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:46,880
anything uh

897
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:50,159
you know so uh i've tell people before

898
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,799
i'm about as

899
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,000
about as attractive as a cement truck so

900
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,720
uh i don't i don't make very good tv um

901
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,760
so

902
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,520
but i do understand that you know if

903
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,520
we're ford for tv to be successful

904
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,960
you have to have eyeballs on the set and

905
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,159
that's how they get there you know

906
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,600
whether they get subscription or they

907
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
get through advertisement

908
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,799
yeah so you have to have people tuning

909
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,399
in uh each week

910
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,399
and so there is a part of that element

911
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,799
in in most tv shows

912
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,840
where there is uh the way that they edit

913
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,399
it

914
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,720
ensures that the audience uh will come

915
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,480
back and see more episodes

916
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,559
but it's not disingenuous it's not it's

917
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:26,640
not artificial drama they're not making

918
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,200
something

919
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,520
up what they're simply doing is they

920
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,120
just don't tell you the reveal

921
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,640
until the next episode and that's how

922
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:34,000
they keep people coming back right

923
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,120
absolutely

924
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,600
it's it's it's a it's a it's a proven

925
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,919
technique to to keep people interested

926
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,600
uh and that's the same thing even with

927
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,840
media today when you when you look at

928
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:45,679
some of the major mainstream media you

929
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,919
know

930
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,520
they'll tell you this yeah sure when i

931
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,880
was when i was a young intelligence

932
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,440
officer

933
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
i won't say which outlet but we had some

934
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,799
people the media come in

935
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,399
and he said to us hey look we want to

936
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,840
let you guys know something

937
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,919
we're a business i know we come across

938
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,120
as fair and impartial and we're the

939
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,720
media we're news

940
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,960
but we are a business because we don't

941
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,720
get paid we can't pay the salaries of

942
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:06,320
our anchors and our camera operators and

943
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,120
everything else

944
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,600
unless we have advertisers and only only

945
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,880
way we're going to get money for

946
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:11,679
advertising

947
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,720
is if people watch so you know we are a

948
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,080
business make no mistake

949
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,440
like any other business and we have to

950
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,440
be financially successful and viable

951
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,480
and that to me really was kind of that

952
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,440
aha moment

953
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,640
because i never really realized that uh

954
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,399
as a young person i thought that you

955
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:30,559
know there was this sense of duty to

956
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,200
just

957
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,279
report the news and you know whether you

958
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,880
watched it or not it was always going to

959
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:36,559
be you know this this fair and

960
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:40,000
impartial uh broadcast and it turns out

961
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,120
that's not the case

962
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,720
uh you know they have to be they have to

963
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,120
be honest they can't lie

964
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,840
uh but you know it there's an art form

965
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:49,600
to to telling the news that gets people

966
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,320
to tune in

967
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,039
you know day after day after day and i

968
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,640
think it's important you know

969
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,399
very much like this podcast here right

970
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,320
you and me having this conversation

971
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,799
we're not artificially you know making

972
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,760
anything up

973
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,520
you know this is this topic is dramatic

974
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,120
enough as it is

975
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,960
but you know there there's a certain in

976
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,640
order to be viable you need people to

977
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,760
tune in and so

978
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,200
how do you get people to tune in while

979
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,720
you put people up that have an

980
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,559
interesting story to tell or perhaps

981
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,840
you know have been involved in something

982
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,919
historical or or whatever

983
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,960
um and and the show with with josh gates

984
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,080
and expedition x

985
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:24,320
for me was a wonderful experience um

986
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,279
both myself

987
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:28,000
and and sean cahill had a chance to be

988
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,640
on it

989
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,640
um i really like their approach and i

990
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,840
really like the fact that they're using

991
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,960
young people

992
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,960
yeah uh because i've told people before

993
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,320
and i know some people get mad at me for

994
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,760
saying this but look my generation has

995
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,679
done enough to screw things up

996
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,000
i think this topic as we move forward

997
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,000
belongs to the next generation

998
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,279
and if we're going to get to the bottom

999
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,480
of this it's going to be the next

1000
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,159
generation doing it it's not going to be

1001
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,159
some old fart like me it's going to be

1002
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,000
you know someone picking up the baton

1003
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,760
and moving forward and that's

1004
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,840
that's that's where that's where the

1005
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:57,440
future lies and if you don't recognize

1006
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,640
it then you're going to miss the boat

1007
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,480
and it's you're not doing this topic any

1008
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,640
good so we have to be inclusive

1009
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,039
and and and having this conversation and

1010
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,880
letting letting the next generation be

1011
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,559
part of that conversation

1012
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,840
is immensely important this is one of

1013
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,039
the reasons why i just did the shout out

1014
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,320
there's a reason why i

1015
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,720
i talk about you know christina over at

1016
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,760
the uh

1017
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,760
uh the debrief and some of these young

1018
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,120
people that are coming in

1019
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,200
chrissy as well because they're the ones

1020
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,200
that are gonna in 30 40 years they're

1021
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,960
the ones that are going to be

1022
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,480
sitting here having this conversation

1023
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,480
with the world and frankly

1024
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,760
hopefully they're hell of a lot smarter

1025
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,440
than we are on it you know yeah

1026
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,960
absolutely i couldn't agree more

1027
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,640
they're doing some fantastic work both

1028
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:36,000
for the the females

1029
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,039
just mentioned they're absolutely

1030
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,640
incredible and so that's why i did not i

1031
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,679
don't know a long-winded story about

1032
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,799
expedition x

1033
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,399
that's right because i thought it was

1034
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,399
you know young folks

1035
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,159
trying to have an honest conversation

1036
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,159
about something they invited

1037
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,440
myself and sean to come out there and

1038
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,279
have a conversation and i

1039
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,279
you you and your reader your listeners

1040
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:54,960
probably know that i i

1041
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,000
i never i try never to pass up an

1042
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,600
opportunity to have this conversation

1043
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,279
with anybody i don't care if it's for tv

1044
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,399
radio podcast

1045
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,919
i don't care if you've got one follower

1046
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,840
or you've got 10 million followers

1047
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,000
you know the conversation's worth having

1048
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,679
that's great thank you so much and it's

1049
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,039
appreciated and

1050
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,480
we can never get enough of hearing what

1051
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,559
you've got to say and

1052
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,399
this leads me on to a recent interview

1053
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,240
you did with our mutual friend a very

1054
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:19,519
good friend mr max

1055
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,720
muskowitz um yeah you described to max

1056
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,679
in a very

1057
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,600
with some drawings about the different

1058
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,799
shapes of the uap

1059
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,200
and how they could be related the discs

1060
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,760
um moving into a triangle possibly into

1061
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:34,000
into a cigar it's a beautiful way of

1062
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,200
explaining it

1063
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:37,200
but going a little bit further on that

1064
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,480
kind of area

1065
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,279
is it possible but that these crafts can

1066
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:43,120
cause the witnesses to perceive the

1067
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,760
shape

1068
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,360
so to one person it might look like

1069
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,880
something but to another it might look

1070
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:48,320
like something else and it's actually

1071
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:48,799
acting

1072
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:52,159
on the person's you know visions or

1073
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,960
conscious

1074
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,440
levels possibly well we see this all the

1075
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,720
time don't we in nature

1076
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,799
this is not anything that's that super

1077
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,960
sophisticated technology technologically

1078
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,000
speaking

1079
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,880
we see camouflage and mimicry and

1080
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,559
cloaking in nature all the time whether

1081
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,080
it's an octopus trying to

1082
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,320
change its colors to or a cuttlefish

1083
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,440
trying to to

1084
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,559
to uh use bioluminescence to to warn a

1085
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,320
predator potential predator

1086
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,679
or it's you know a a particular gecko

1087
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,760
sitting on a tree limb that now all of a

1088
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:23,039
sudden assumes the same color and

1089
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,240
texture

1090
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,080
around it there's there's mimicry that

1091
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,840
we see in nature all the time between a

1092
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:29,600
coral snake which is very very very

1093
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,399
venomous

1094
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,919
at all but the color cor

1095
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,320
the color differentiations on patterns

1096
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:37,600
are very similar

1097
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,279
um so uh is it possible that this is

1098
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,720
also being used from a technical

1099
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,399
perspective well

1100
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,919
we're doing it now we do it with our b2

1101
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:48,080
bomber we we use special coatings and

1102
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:48,640
and

1103
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,360
the fact that we have an aircraft

1104
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:56,240
in in enemy territory um you know now

1105
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,559
that

1106
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,000
i think what you're asking me is it

1107
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:00,799
possible that these craft somehow are

1108
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,720
are tapping into uh each individual's

1109
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,279
own psyche and being able to pull

1110
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,159
something out

1111
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,760
yeah and says okay i'm going to go ahead

1112
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:11,119
and i'm going to look like this or i'm

1113
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,159
going to look like that

1114
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,280
i don't know that there's a lot of

1115
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,359
people that speculate that i i don't

1116
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,200
haven't seen any information

1117
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:19,200
that substantiates that but it doesn't

1118
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,320
mean that's not the case

1119
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,960
i just i simply haven't had seen that

1120
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,000
myself

1121
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,879
um you know but blow observability is

1122
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,000
one of the observables

1123
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,839
it's the fact that it's hard to see with

1124
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,280
your naked eye it's hard to see

1125
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,879
electro optically it's very hard to see

1126
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,119
on radar um

1127
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,720
so you know i uh again people are gonna

1128
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,839
hear what i have to say they're gonna

1129
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,599
say oh there goes luke you know dodging

1130
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,960
another question

1131
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,720
you know i i'm not dodging a question

1132
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,159
i'm just trying to use common sense i'm

1133
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,520
trying to take you know when someone

1134
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,599
asks me a question say look you know

1135
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,679
it's not that far out there you can look

1136
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,960
right now

1137
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,800
here on our own planet and see examples

1138
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:56,320
of this biologically occurring all the

1139
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,040
time

1140
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,119
yeah you know it's it's and we do it as

1141
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,640
a species ourselves

1142
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,760
you know so is it is it possible that

1143
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:05,280
something that is super technologically

1144
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,000
advanced

1145
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,000
could be doing that sure it's possible i

1146
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,839
i don't have any data to necessarily

1147
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,200
back that up right now but it doesn't

1148
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,800
mean in five years we don't come to this

1149
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,000
aha moment this

1150
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,000
epiphany this revelation that that's

1151
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,280
exactly what's happening we

1152
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,760
we just don't have enough data yet to to

1153
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,000
to to make that type of conclusion

1154
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,599
sure doesn't mean that it's not not

1155
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,359
possible yeah and a lot of the examples

1156
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,040
you just gave are um

1157
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:29,040
are biological things from from our

1158
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,320
world

1159
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,160
is there any research being done on the

1160
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,240
possibility of these objects

1161
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,880
having a biological side to them even

1162
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,560
the actual craft themselves has that

1163
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:40,000
been looked into much at all

1164
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:44,079
are you aware of well you know what i'm

1165
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,480
gonna

1166
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,680
another question okay

1167
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,280
you know what's your definition of

1168
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,440
biology i come from a from a background

1169
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,520
of biology of microbiology immunology

1170
00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:54,960
and parasitology

1171
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,320
uh study of parasites not parapsychology

1172
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,119
parasitology

1173
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,160
and you know um every time

1174
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,760
we think we have a definition of what a

1175
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,680
life form is you know mother nature

1176
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:07,200
throws us a curveball you know for a

1177
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,400
long time we thought

1178
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,480
photosynthesis was the basis of all life

1179
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,240
on this planet turns out it's not

1180
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,920
we have things called chemosynthesis

1181
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,640
right uh and extremophiles that live at

1182
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,079
the bottom of the ocean where

1183
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,760
they gain their nutrition and energy

1184
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:21,839
through through chemical processes not

1185
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,160
not

1186
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,760
processes right

1187
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,119
and then we thought well okay all living

1188
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,520
things must have dna turns out well okay

1189
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:31,440
now now some virologists are suggesting

1190
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,079
that

1191
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,040
living things do they replicate they

1192
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,640
defend themselves and they you know

1193
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,560
but they don't have dna at all they have

1194
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:41,920
rna uh and yet they seem very much alive

1195
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,200
um so so we have to

1196
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,119
we have to understand that when we say

1197
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,920
this is there anything biological

1198
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,040
um behind these things you know it's

1199
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,240
um i think we need to be we need to

1200
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,079
we need to be very clear just like what

1201
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,520
disclosure means we need to know what

1202
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,640
does it mean first of all when you say

1203
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,000
biological because

1204
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,560
you know a kid flying a kite the kite

1205
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,720
isn't a biological organism but the kid

1206
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,079
flying it and controlling it is a

1207
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,520
biological organism right

1208
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,119
sure and then you have that kite

1209
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,040
interacting potentially with birds or

1210
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,640
insects in that are in the atmosphere

1211
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,079
you know or it

1212
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,359
it i guess my point being is that if

1213
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,680
anything's possible we just we need more

1214
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,119
data

1215
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,880
and i think you know these are certainly

1216
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,320
questions that we should be asking

1217
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
ourselves

1218
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,880
from an academic and a scientific

1219
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,200
perspective uh you know and let's let's

1220
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,880
let the data speak for itself

1221
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,040
absolutely yeah just sticking with the

1222
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,320
interview you did with max

1223
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,800
um you did you teased us with a little

1224
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,839
quote saying

1225
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,839
there is an elegant way to explain why

1226
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,200
we see what we see

1227
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,960
from the outside when observing these

1228
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,880
phenomena to which you said that you

1229
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,720
would show him another time

1230
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,920
is that something you'd be able to

1231
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,000
discuss with us right now

1232
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:55,119
um unfortunately not quite yet we are

1233
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,839
okay we are

1234
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,040
those those models are being the par

1235
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,880
part of part of this discussion is

1236
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,040
effective communication

1237
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,680
and the last thing you want to do is

1238
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:07,920
take an important topic like this

1239
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,119
and if if if you cannot

1240
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,400
communicate concise concisely

1241
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,720
with your audience then you have a

1242
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,240
chance of really

1243
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,359
messing things up and so uh

1244
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:24,320
efforts are underway to to provide a

1245
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,880
very

1246
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,800
elegant illustration that people can

1247
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,320
look and say

1248
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,359
that makes sense um and i i don't want

1249
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:33,599
to let that out prematurely

1250
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,720
um because uh you know we we

1251
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,200
i think we can even do a better job of

1252
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,960
of illustrating that

1253
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:45,680
um and you know hopefully in the in the

1254
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,000
very

1255
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,960
near future an audience will be able to

1256
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,079
see that

1257
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,839
absolutely that's something to look

1258
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,839
forward to then are you able to let us

1259
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:54,400
know

1260
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,520
who is doing that or looking into that

1261
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:00,560
um it's a collective okay

1262
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,359
it's uh it's a collective of of um a lot

1263
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,440
of folks that you'd probably recognize

1264
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,640
excellent so i won't try and push that

1265
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,560
point too much any further and let's

1266
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,400
move on now the ufo community

1267
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,240
and others as well have recently become

1268
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,680
aware of this new think tank sky fort

1269
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,240
um led by sean cahill uh and i think a

1270
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,839
few of his friends and he mentioned it

1271
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,280
in a recent interview with

1272
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,720
james e and doley of engaging the

1273
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,400
phenomena and mention that you're

1274
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,160
connected to it and are you able to

1275
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,240
to expand on that a bit and let us know

1276
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,920
what role you will be playing

1277
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:36,320
yeah a lot of people are yeah i'm an

1278
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,960
advisor

1279
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,119
um you know people say oh this is ttsa

1280
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,200
2. 2.0 no it's not

1281
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,880
you know sky fort hasn't asked anybody

1282
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,640
for money it is a

1283
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,800
it is a strategic think tank that is

1284
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,560
helping us navigate

1285
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,599
uh and advise uh through through this

1286
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,960
very interesting topic

1287
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,720
um this we've never really had a

1288
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,160
conversation like this before

1289
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,960
and so you know being able to i've

1290
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,079
mentioned this before

1291
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,440
pardon me there are five pillars of

1292
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,760
emphasis very much like an intelligence

1293
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,280
or a military campaign

1294
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,480
you have to make sure all are

1295
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,920
coordinated and you don't get out in

1296
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,680
front of the headlights too far on one

1297
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,119
of them the first one is

1298
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,040
uh legislative engagement and that's

1299
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:14,640
engaging our elected officials letting

1300
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,880
them

1301
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,400
know where to find the data and the

1302
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,079
seriousness of the topic

1303
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,000
then it's executive level engagement and

1304
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,160
this that second pillar is engaging our

1305
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,599
department heads and secretary level uh

1306
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,359
leadership letting them know where they

1307
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,640
can find the data right internally to

1308
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,920
their own organizations who are the

1309
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,359
experts within the organizations they

1310
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,359
can leverage et cetera et cetera right

1311
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,400
the third pillar of emphasis is uh

1312
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,920
our international engagement and that's

1313
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,079
engaging our friends and allies in other

1314
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,280
countries and their governments and

1315
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,280
institutions and organizations

1316
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,920
to to to share information get into a

1317
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,599
formal information sharing relationship

1318
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:49,119
like we just did with japan

1319
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,480
yeah and several other countries now

1320
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:52,240
that are that are happening uh the

1321
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,880
fourth

1322
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,880
uh pillar of engagement is media

1323
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,560
engagement mainstream media letting them

1324
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,240
know that it's okay to report on this

1325
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,079
topic and despite the stigma taboo

1326
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,680
historically associated

1327
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,640
with this topic um you can you you

1328
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,400
should report on it because it's it's it

1329
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,599
is one that's important and it is

1330
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,440
scientific and it is academic

1331
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,440
and then the last pillar of interest uh

1332
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:13,200
if we will or emphasis that we

1333
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,640
we dedicate to is is uh

1334
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,440
is is public public engagement exactly

1335
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,880
what we're doing here right now

1336
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,200
right letting the the people know that

1337
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,880
that you know whether you're around the

1338
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,480
dinner table or the water cooler it's

1339
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:28,240
okay to have a conversation about this

1340
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,440
because ultimately

1341
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,880
and probably this is the most important

1342
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,720
pillar of all because if the people say

1343
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,400
it's okay to have a conversation

1344
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,680
then you're more likely to have your

1345
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,599
elected officials and mainstream media

1346
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,720
reporting on it right

1347
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,640
sure again because they they feel it's

1348
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,920
okay to do so

1349
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,079
absolutely and so it's it's very

1350
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:45,599
important so what skyford does back to

1351
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,400
your question

1352
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,000
you know eventually get back to it

1353
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,760
that's okay uh is that

1354
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,760
that they are helping us navigate these

1355
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,200
and to make sure

1356
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,240
that we all we we move together

1357
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:57,440
collectively

1358
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,200
as a process all of these these pillars

1359
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,800
making sure that there are specific

1360
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:04,480
touch points within each of those

1361
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,280
pillars

1362
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,359
that you want to make sure you you

1363
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,560
engage and

1364
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,880
and skyford has been extremely helpful

1365
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,040
they the connections that that sean

1366
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,960
cahill has managed to amass with folks

1367
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,079
like jesse and

1368
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,319
and jake are enormous they all have

1369
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,319
experience like you do on social media

1370
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,440
and youtube

1371
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,359
and delivering content but they also

1372
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,119
have investigative backgrounds they also

1373
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
have media backgrounds they also have

1374
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,720
hollywood backgrounds they all have they

1375
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,800
had the backgrounds necessary

1376
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,119
to orchestrate if you will or conduct

1377
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,880
the orchestra in a way where

1378
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,640
where now you're making music instead of

1379
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,800
just little bits of sounds popping up

1380
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,400
within the orchestra the french horns

1381
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,520
are playing their own tune while the

1382
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,640
violins are kind of

1383
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,000
screeching out something over there on

1384
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,760
that corner the guy on the timpani in

1385
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:47,119
the back is just you know rocking out to

1386
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,000
ac dc

1387
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,359
yeah it only works when everybody is

1388
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,720
playing together

1389
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,560
in a coordinated manner and that is what

1390
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,119
skype that's the elegance of skyford

1391
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,000
it is a one-stop shop to help us

1392
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,400
recognize those strategic touch points

1393
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,280
and and make sure that the right message

1394
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,079
is delivered

1395
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:08,160
so so so people can make well-informed

1396
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,599
decisions brilliant

1397
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,720
i just wondered if there would be any

1398
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,640
actual research involved as well looking

1399
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,760
at cases as well

1400
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,800
or there will be but again

1401
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,800
think of skyford as a big umbrella right

1402
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,480
right and under that big umbrella you're

1403
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,920
gonna have several little umbrellas with

1404
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:23,440
with verticals of different different

1405
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,839
level

1406
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,119
different interests that they're going

1407
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,880
to be engaged in

1408
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,720
yeah that's why you see in there it's an

1409
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,400
incubator you know i'm look i'm not

1410
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,319
i'm not i'm not owner of it i don't have

1411
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,520
any financial interest

1412
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,920
in it uh but they have been been

1413
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
exceedingly helpful helping us navigate

1414
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,760
this landscape both for chris mellon and

1415
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,000
myself

1416
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,319
they know what the hell is going on and

1417
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,079
you know when you are when you are in a

1418
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,359
military campaign

1419
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,599
you want good advisors that's that

1420
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,440
that's what you want on your team

1421
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,119
of course people out there the haters

1422
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,119
are going to speculate yeah this is 2.0

1423
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,359
ttsa these guys just want to it's

1424
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:59,200
another money plug or lou owns the pro

1425
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,599
no i

1426
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,040
have i have no financial interest in

1427
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,599
this i'm not all i am is an advisor i'm

1428
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,119
not on the board of directors

1429
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,800
i don't have any voting privileges i'm

1430
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,480
not getting any money out of this

1431
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,400
in fact i i suspect if you were to talk

1432
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,920
to sky 4 they're probably losing a lot

1433
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,640
of money

1434
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,079
because they're donating most of their

1435
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,079
time to to support this activity they're

1436
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,599
not making a penny right now

1437
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:20,079
so you know anybody out there who's

1438
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:21,440
listening in your audience that you know

1439
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,240
wants to

1440
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,400
to throw arrows they probably need to do

1441
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,520
a little bit more research

1442
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,359
you know before they they start making

1443
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,520
you know unqualified

1444
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,520
conclusions like that no that's great

1445
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,960
thank you for talking about it i think a

1446
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,839
lot of people were

1447
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,040
when they first heard the name i think

1448
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,280
it was tucker carlson something that

1449
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,560
produced a document on

1450
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,040
one of his uh things yeah that was i was

1451
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,280
not ready for that

1452
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,640
wow okay yeah i think everybody uh

1453
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,800
eyes wide and like what is sky thought

1454
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:50,560
so no thank you for clarifying your

1455
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,359
involvement and

1456
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,720
a bit more about what they're they

1457
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,800
intend to do in the future that's great

1458
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,960
uh moving on this is a something i've

1459
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,400
only recently heard about

1460
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,800
back in 2019 rich hoffman of the uh the

1461
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,200
scientific coalition for uap studies

1462
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,839
he briefly mentioned two cases involving

1463
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:07,040
the navy that we'd not really heard

1464
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,400
about before

1465
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:11,680
one the uss boxer in 1998 the other the

1466
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,200
uss bainbridge in 2017.

1467
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,520
i like the little smile there because i

1468
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,040
it sounds like you're aware of them and

1469
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,319
that's what i was going to ask are you

1470
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,520
aware of these cases

1471
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,359
and can you give us any details about

1472
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,000
them i am aware of them i cannot discuss

1473
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,280
them right now

1474
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,359
i think there's there are efforts

1475
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,440
underway right now to to figure that out

1476
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,280
but look i'll i'll give you another

1477
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,440
heads up here it ain't just the main

1478
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,960
bridge it ain't just the kid in the

1479
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,560
omaha it ain't just

1480
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,920
you know uh what what what people know

1481
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:43,280
about the boxer

1482
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,200
uh you know there's there's some pretty

1483
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,880
pretty interesting encounter encounters

1484
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:50,880
that are happening as of like last week

1485
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,800
um do these all involve uh data video

1486
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,200
photos everything across the spectrum of

1487
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,960
what we need to analyze these cases as

1488
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,640
well yeah absolutely

1489
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,480
you know and so i i'm not going to

1490
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,839
discuss them right now because that's

1491
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,200
really under the purview of the us

1492
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,480
government i'm not going to tell you

1493
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,720
aors i'm not going to tell you uh

1494
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,839
anything else

1495
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,160
right now until maybe someone else

1496
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,839
decides to have the conversation i

1497
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,560
understand

1498
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,240
you know this is this is occurring

1499
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,400
regular and routinely this is not just

1500
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,560
the nimitz and the roosevelt this is

1501
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,599
this is this is happening all the time

1502
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,800
and are these coming in through the

1503
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,400
official channels that the navy brought

1504
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,040
into effect in 2020 where they kind of

1505
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,359
made it seem okay for the personnel to

1506
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,960
to report these things have we seen an

1507
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,520
influx

1508
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,359
since that happened yeah yeah they're

1509
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,640
reporting it they're doing exactly what

1510
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:38,240
they're supposed to do the snoopy teams

1511
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,040
are engaged

1512
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,520
it's it's it's working uh you know can

1513
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,880
it work better sure i mean everything

1514
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,319
can work better right of course

1515
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,440
uh it's it's it's it it's it's finally

1516
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,680
that process has been established and it

1517
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,800
is it is working

1518
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,359
um so i'm very pleased by that that was

1519
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,960
one of the greatest

1520
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,599
uh tasks if you will and goals that i

1521
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,880
had when i first left that there would

1522
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,319
be some sort of official reporting

1523
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,400
mechanism that would be established

1524
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,960
and and that's that's well underway

1525
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,400
that's great that's really good to hear

1526
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:08,079
that it's working and it's only really

1527
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,280
been about a year so

1528
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,359
that's that is a big positive step in

1529
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,040
the right direction

1530
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,800
um yeah the only reason i asked that

1531
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,160
question about the bainbridge and the

1532
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,480
boxer is because i i rewatched the

1533
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,640
lecture that the rich hoffman did and i

1534
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,520
thought well

1535
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,599
if he's mentioning them by name and year

1536
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,640
then maybe it's

1537
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,119
fallen out of some classified area into

1538
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:28,720
a gray area

1539
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,680
i thought i'd ask yeah and look rich is

1540
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,400
great i mean

1541
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,240
his organization is you know they've

1542
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:36,000
done a lot they haven't received credit

1543
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,480
for

1544
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,559
behind the scenes but you know they have

1545
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,000
definitely helped congress

1546
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,559
make informed decisions um yeah they are

1547
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,240
these folks are mostly you know

1548
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,760
former or current military and

1549
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,240
intelligence personnel scientists

1550
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:50,079
working on this topic and it's it's a

1551
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,280
great organization i

1552
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:53,280
you know i i love what rich has done

1553
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,319
with the scu

1554
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
um i think it's something that we've

1555
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,920
needed for a very long time

1556
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,520
and what will be wonderful is when the

1557
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,520
scu can enter into some sort of

1558
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,160
of a work relationship with the us

1559
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,000
government i think that's i think that's

1560
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,359
almost at this point probably an

1561
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,920
inevitability just because of the

1562
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,599
high concentration of expertise

1563
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,839
scientific expertise that they have

1564
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,280
that's great i think this is actually

1565
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:17,119
probably a good time to tell

1566
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,640
everybody here that's going to see this

1567
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,160
that i have just confirmed an interview

1568
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:21,599
with rich hoffman which i will be

1569
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,480
conducting

1570
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,599
on wednesday the 7th of july

1571
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,359
and i will put out all the details

1572
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:29,280
across all my social media platforms but

1573
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,000
that is

1574
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,000
an organization that i am a huge fan of

1575
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,680
i've read a lot of their papers and

1576
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,280
listened to a lot of their speeches and

1577
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,880
lectures and talks so

1578
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,960
i think that scientific angle is is a

1579
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:40,480
very important in this

1580
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:43,599
in this day and age yeah

1581
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,349
right i'm going to go into a few

1582
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,549
i don't know how to describe these

1583
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,599
questions but i can tell you

1584
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,000
your hesitation you're mulling in your

1585
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,040
head

1586
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,680
yeah i mean i've got the list um i never

1587
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,359
really know whether to just read it in

1588
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,280
in the list order or just throw a few

1589
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,480
curve balls in

1590
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,400
but i'm going to go and ask are you

1591
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,839
aware of any attempts to

1592
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,720
bait these objects to draw them in and i

1593
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,920
don't mean necessarily through a

1594
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,480
consciousness ce5 thing i mean like

1595
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:19,599
more of a military aspect

1596
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,119
yes okay

1597
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:26,720
any i don't suppose you're able to talk

1598
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:27,680
about that or

1599
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,960
no okay no moving on um

1600
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,240
it's been said that chris mellon was

1601
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,760
denied access to looking into the

1602
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,680
department of energy

1603
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,280
um i don't know much more details on

1604
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,520
that but my question is did atip

1605
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,040
ever work closely with the department of

1606
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:43,040
energy when we're looking into cases

1607
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,760
were they

1608
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,480
given access uh we were focused

1609
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,040
primarily on dod equities and

1610
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,000
but there were times where you have

1611
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,680
without going into detail here

1612
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,440
there are times where you have joint

1613
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:57,040
department of energy and department of

1614
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,160
defense equities

1615
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,559
uh at certain facilities okay and i'll

1616
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,920
just i'll leave it at that

1617
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,839
and in those circumstances we were made

1618
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,440
aware through through

1619
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,400
uh other reporting mechanisms of

1620
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,000
interesting incidents

1621
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,480
involving um some of those those

1622
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,920
facilities

1623
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,400
cool that's great thank you so much um

1624
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,599
i'm just going to keep moving through

1625
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,720
these some of these are really short

1626
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,559
questions and

1627
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,880
uh yeah so since a lot of these cases

1628
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,920
have been happening over

1629
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,680
decades now surrounding nuclear

1630
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,520
facilities and really sensitive

1631
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,920
weapons areas has there been anything

1632
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:30,880
put in place

1633
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,839
to try and deter them from those areas

1634
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,079
or to stop them

1635
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,760
messing with these facilities and

1636
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,280
weapons um

1637
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
that would be a question you you would

1638
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,400
have to bring up with

1639
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,240
the the equity holders department of

1640
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:46,079
defense and department of energy i i

1641
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,440
certainly don't want to speak to

1642
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:48,720
whatever counter measures

1643
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,400
may be in place okay um i'll i'll have

1644
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,079
to politely defer to

1645
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:57,440
to them no that's fine no problem at all

1646
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,549
jim semivan now i think we've all been

1647
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,400
aware of jim for a few years now but not

1648
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,160
heard so much recently

1649
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:07,920
he recently made a statement saying that

1650
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,040
his um his view on this ua ptf report is

1651
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:12,800
that it will lead to

1652
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,079
a more permanent uh command group

1653
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,480
or task force after that i mean i think

1654
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,760
that is what we all want

1655
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,839
it almost sounded like he knew something

1656
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,119
um

1657
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,319
are you aware of something like that or

1658
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:29,119
is it well i mean jim jim is i mean jim

1659
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,839
hears

1660
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,680
you know information from his various

1661
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,200
horses um

1662
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,880
you know i'm not going to speculate

1663
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,960
where jim may have heard that

1664
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:39,200
i've made it no secret that uh you know

1665
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,160
i support

1666
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,440
and so does chris and enduring

1667
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,880
capability um

1668
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,160
you know fill in the blanks sure okay

1669
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,559
um now i think a lot of people are still

1670
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,079
unclear about what happened

1671
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,559
uh with ttsa and how it ended and

1672
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,640
there's a lot of rumors and speculation

1673
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,000
flying around

1674
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,480
um are you able to just give us a brief

1675
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,839
breakdown of

1676
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,319
what happened why it separated and why

1677
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,200
you left and

1678
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,720
and are you still talking and

1679
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,559
communicating i think it just needs to

1680
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,119
be

1681
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,280
laid out there once and for all yeah

1682
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,280
sure so so it wasn't just me who left

1683
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:15,680
ttsa it was chris mellon and it was

1684
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,640
hal put off and it was uh it was also

1685
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,920
steve justice

1686
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,319
um hal was a founding member he was on

1687
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,440
the board of directors

1688
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,800
um it was decided uh that by by

1689
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:29,280
folks inside ttsa they wanted to pursue

1690
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:29,839
the

1691
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,200
that really doesn't leave a whole lot of

1692
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,480
of work for

1693
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,119
guys like chris and i and and and steve

1694
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,480
justice who

1695
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,760
you know we're not we're not

1696
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:44,240
entertainers we're just not and you know

1697
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,200
people see on the street

1698
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,079
oh you got that tv show but i'm not an

1699
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,280
actor

1700
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:52,240
yeah i'm a former intel officer and so

1701
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,960
um

1702
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,920
our our skill sets uh would have been

1703
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,720
better used

1704
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,839
probably in in a different capacity than

1705
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,559
just

1706
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,839
you know entertainment um

1707
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,599
entertainment's important

1708
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,760
but uh remember that's that's how you in

1709
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,520
some cases you engage the the fifth

1710
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,359
pillar which is public engagement

1711
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,920
yeah but that's not that's not our skill

1712
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,559
set that's

1713
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,800
that's not where we do best you know tom

1714
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,000
and tom

1715
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,960
is a great guy uh he's he's exceedingly

1716
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:19,680
uh

1717
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,839
very creative

1718
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,880
um but that's not our skill set

1719
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,960
sure and so when the decision was made

1720
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,040
to pursue entertainment

1721
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:34,400
uh you know it was it was

1722
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,599
um it was prudent

1723
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,839
for for for those of us who are not

1724
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,160
entertainers to to continue to pursue

1725
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:45,680
this effort the best that we know how

1726
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,400
and that is

1727
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,520
via vis-a-vis government interaction

1728
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,720
media engagement uh you know more more

1729
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:53,520
strategic

1730
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,119
level dialogue um

1731
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,160
than necessarily you know books or or or

1732
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,680
movies or stuff like that

1733
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,359
no that's great thank you thank you for

1734
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,559
that i mean i think it was important

1735
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,000
because i just get asked it all the time

1736
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:07,520
and i don't like to speculate and things

1737
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,000
like that

1738
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,599
i think what really interested me with

1739
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,440
that the work going on at that time was

1740
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:12,400
the adam project

1741
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,160
looking into the meta materials i mean

1742
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,160
i would normally assume that that hal

1743
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,240
put off just continued with that work

1744
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,839
can you can you confirm that at all are

1745
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,000
you aware of it i mean i'd love to

1746
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,400
ask the man himself well i mean

1747
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,440
certainly that's

1748
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:30,640
very important um you know i i don't

1749
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,359
know what

1750
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,319
ttsa is doing right now uh involving the

1751
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,680
adam i know that that

1752
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,839
we're working on that pretty pretty

1753
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:39,119
significantly

1754
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:42,880
uh but adam sorry can i when you say we

1755
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,190
who's we

1756
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:47,200
[Laughter]

1757
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:50,839
um some of my colleagues and associates

1758
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,160
okay uh we are pursuing that of course

1759
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,880
adam is a name given by ttsa you know

1760
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:57,760
that's that's

1761
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,200
the trademark yeah um you know

1762
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,200
let me let me say this with with ttsa

1763
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,040
look they they have an obligation to

1764
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,160
their investors

1765
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,920
to to do a return on investment and uh

1766
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,839
one of the best ways to do that if you

1767
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:13,599
are an entertainer is to continue

1768
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,559
entertaining

1769
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:17,200
yeah and so you know doing movies and

1770
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,000
and

1771
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:21,920
way to get revenue

1772
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,640
and and and make sure that you fulfill

1773
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:25,920
your promise

1774
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:29,839
to to to the investors okay and

1775
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,440
uh i i i don't disagree with that i mean

1776
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,000
your first

1777
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:36,079
obligation is to your investors making

1778
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,119
sure that you

1779
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,079
so um you know it's it's hard what we're

1780
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,079
doing what chris and i are doing

1781
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,720
is very hard to monetize um in fact it

1782
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:45,359
it it

1783
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,960
costs a lot of personal resources

1784
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,760
to do what we're doing um you know we

1785
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,040
don't have

1786
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,680
have uh you know banks you know giving

1787
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:57,280
us money hand over fist to do what we're

1788
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,599
doing

1789
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:00,480
a lot of this is self-financed uh you

1790
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:00,880
know

1791
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:04,319
it's it's it can be can be can be a bit

1792
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,040
of a burden

1793
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,720
um and there are certainly you're not

1794
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,200
gonna have any return on investment for

1795
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,640
for your investors um doing it you know

1796
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:13,680
what we're doing

1797
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,040
so brilliant that's that's great um

1798
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,440
i'm going to move on to dr eric davis

1799
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,200
who i am a big fan of

1800
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,480
um me too a very big fan now he's uh

1801
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,240
he's claimed a few times that um

1802
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,319
the eight it never ended in 2012 it just

1803
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,000
simply changed managerial

1804
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,920
roles and switched around a few things

1805
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,079
and continues to this day

1806
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,760
um is that what you're talking about

1807
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,040
when you're talking about me and my

1808
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,799
colleagues

1809
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,040
um well first of all eric davis is a

1810
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,240
national treasure and i mean

1811
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,000
absolutely if you ever have a chance to

1812
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,440
meet him uh

1813
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:47,839
he is one of the original greybeards um

1814
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:48,559
he

1815
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,960
know i did some things

1816
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:57,200
i i've read the reports i know exactly

1817
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,000
what he's done for

1818
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,839
his country and and one day they'll

1819
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,359
write a book about him uh

1820
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,319
he he really is he really is the man

1821
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,440
behind the green curtain

1822
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,760
to some degree he's an incredible human

1823
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:08,559
being

1824
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,720
uh an incredible patriot um as far as

1825
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,520
working with with with eric um yeah i

1826
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,280
mean we we we talk all the time

1827
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,599
right i mean it's it's very it's not

1828
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:20,960
every day you get a chance to talk to

1829
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,359
you know a nuclear physicist right who's

1830
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,599
worked on beamed energy propulsion and

1831
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,520
you know was the author on some of these

1832
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:30,559
dirts um he's a living legend

1833
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,760
so yeah of course we we still talk and

1834
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,920
we still collaborate and

1835
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,079
you know when opportunities arise for us

1836
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:39,359
to all uh

1837
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,640
work together on on on a project we we

1838
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,359
we do that um and if it comes out maybe

1839
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,040
in the next year or so that people find

1840
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,480
out hey there's another project that

1841
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,760
these guys were working on behind the

1842
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,799
scenes

1843
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:53,760
you know that shouldn't be a surprise

1844
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,319
great

1845
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:56,799
i look forward to it absolutely thank

1846
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,440
you

1847
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,960
um i'm just going to move on now to a

1848
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:00,640
few of my follower questions so

1849
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,920
um yeah these are from them not from me

1850
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:06,000
um so vinnie by the way let me introduce

1851
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,359
i want to propose something i mean don't

1852
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:09,040
get me wrong i love twitter i'm always

1853
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,240
talking to everybody

1854
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,160
was is there a way where we can like

1855
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,920
change the term or the

1856
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,240
tag of their followers into like

1857
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,440
colleagues because

1858
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:19,280
i just feel so damn guilty every time

1859
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,559
like someone says i've got

1860
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,359
umpteen number of followers you know i

1861
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,640
on this topic

1862
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,400
i don't think anybody's following

1863
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,920
anybody i think we're all leading the

1864
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,599
charge together and i wish there was a

1865
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,040
way we could change that

1866
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,680
stupid tag that says followers or

1867
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,559
following

1868
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:37,040
into something like you know i don't

1869
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,160
know some sort of

1870
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,640
collective hey you know you're you're

1871
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:42,079
you're now part of the part of the fight

1872
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,280
right you're now part

1873
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,680
i agree 100 i will start using my

1874
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:47,119
colleagues instead of followers i think

1875
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,079
they'll love that and

1876
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,319
and i'm i am classed as disclosure team

1877
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,319
and everyone asks about me and my

1878
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:54,240
team and it's actually just me and i say

1879
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,440
that my

1880
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,760
colleagues followers are the rest of the

1881
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,680
team we are one collective together

1882
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,599
because we're all after the same thing

1883
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,880
and i always i always tell you exactly

1884
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,400
and i love that you say you know

1885
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:08,480
disclosure team it's it's right we are a

1886
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:09,200
team

1887
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,440
when we stand shoulder to shoulder

1888
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,839
and uh you know we are only here because

1889
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,960
we're working together we're not here

1890
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:18,720
because i got 45 000 followers

1891
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,559
no you know we're here because all of us

1892
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:24,480
together have decided to to stand

1893
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,359
together

1894
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,960
and and do our best to have this

1895
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:29,119
conversation together collectively right

1896
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,599
absolutely

1897
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:31,200
and all opinions matter all opinions

1898
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,319
count even the ones that aren't

1899
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,000
necessarily very nice sometimes

1900
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,480
yeah um you know i i just anyway i just

1901
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,920
say that because i wish there was a way

1902
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,280
we could petition twitter

1903
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,880
and say look is there any way we could

1904
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,319
change anything

1905
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,319
like you know live or whatever

1906
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,839
um i'm gonna take that on board i'm

1907
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,520
gonna use that colleagues instead of

1908
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:51,359
followers going forward so i appreciate

1909
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:52,000
that

1910
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,119
so my colleague questions

1911
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,440
this is from kevin o'malley during your

1912
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,280
employment at the pentagon did you

1913
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,680
become aware of other legacy special

1914
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,359
special access programs which have been

1915
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:06,799
studying uaps

1916
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:10,319
for decades yeah so great question kevin

1917
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,119
uh the answer is

1918
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,599
yes um but it was more from the project

1919
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,799
blue book perspective

1920
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,680
it wasn't until i got out of the a tip

1921
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,160
uh

1922
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,040
in 2017 that i was on the hill that i

1923
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:22,799
was introduced to somebody

1924
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:26,640
who uh was running a a tip like program

1925
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,599
in the 80s

1926
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:30,160
for for the navy and i was i was i was

1927
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,720
stunned

1928
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:33,599
i i you know after all these years i

1929
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,400
wound up

1930
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,839
leaving that meeting scratching my head

1931
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,760
saying you know it

1932
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,760
it only took a decade to find out i mean

1933
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,040
wow

1934
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,359
could have been pretty helpful that's

1935
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,880
interesting definitely could have been

1936
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:46,799
helpful

1937
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:50,079
so lou um you showed some slides once in

1938
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,480
a nice

1939
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:52,079
i think or this is the question so i i

1940
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,200
don't know if it's correct but you

1941
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,119
apparently showed some slides in an scu

1942
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,280
briefing on the nature of uaps which

1943
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,359
showed some foreign nations flags

1944
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:02,079
specifically danish and swedish are you

1945
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,040
aware of

1946
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:05,200
they them having any sort of military

1947
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,400
uap studies

1948
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,720
groups ongoing or anything like that and

1949
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:10,799
that's from christian thompson

1950
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,839
uh the answer is yes there they had some

1951
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,079
programs established when i was in atip

1952
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:17,440
i'm not going to go into a lot of detail

1953
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,640
i want to speak on behalf of another

1954
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,520
country

1955
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,440
where they were they were looking into

1956
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,119
into uaps

1957
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,440
um shouldn't be any surprise no

1958
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,040
absolutely i think that's

1959
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,960
great that they did and you said they

1960
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,640
did rather than they have is that

1961
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,079
something that you

1962
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,400
you think might have ended or well i i

1963
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,839
don't i want to be very careful i don't

1964
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,119
want to speak on behalf of

1965
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,119
countries current capabilities and

1966
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,799
interests

1967
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,880
that i i'd rather let the country speak

1968
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,839
for themselves

1969
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,319
um you know i especially if i have to go

1970
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,920
back over there and work with them

1971
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,280
you know i don't want to be one of those

1972
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:51,599
guys that you know has made life

1973
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,799
uh complicated for them unnecessarily

1974
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,480
so i don't respect for them i'd rather

1975
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,079
let them answer that question

1976
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,160
um as it relates to present day

1977
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,400
brilliant that's great thank you

1978
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:05,200
um this is from my good friend mr strafe

1979
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,079
wilson

1980
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,359
did you ever meet uh richard doty

1981
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:11,359
in a professional capacity during your

1982
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:12,640
time with atib

1983
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,760
i've never met mr doty uh ever and not

1984
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:17,599
even in my off even

1985
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:20,319
even in my current capacity um you know

1986
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:20,640
i

1987
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,000
um okay perhaps

1988
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,920
i'll leave it at that that's fine that's

1989
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,520
fine

1990
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:46,079
great question because because i mean

1991
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,720
you both

1992
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:49,119
both worked under similar intelligence

1993
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:50,480
agencies

1994
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,549
what are your thoughts on the various

1995
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,799
videos over the years supposedly showing

1996
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,200
real footage of extraterrestrial beings

1997
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:04,400
such as the skinny bop video

1998
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,280
we'd have to we have to validate and

1999
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,480
verify that before

2000
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:11,200
i could speculate on it you know i'm not

2001
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:11,760
a

2002
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,079
um unlike some other folks who you know

2003
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,640
have have recently informed the media

2004
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:30,480
that they're experts in xyz when they're

2005
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:31,760
really not

2006
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,599
uh i i'm i'm not a video expert and so

2007
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,920
any type of video whether it's of

2008
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,960
potentially

2009
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:41,440
extraterrestrial life or anything else

2010
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,079
um

2011
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,960
you know we i would need an expert or

2012
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,480
two or three like we did on our show

2013
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,599
with unidentified

2014
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,200
should sit there and and look at these

2015
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,520
objects uh or in this case

2016
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,680
you know biological organism if that

2017
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:55,200
indeed is the case i

2018
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:56,240
i don't know i don't have enough

2019
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,920
information to speculate one way or the

2020
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,640
other

2021
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,960
great no that's fine thank you um just

2022
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:01,760
keeping with the

2023
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:05,119
the show unidentified um in the program

2024
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,640
the italians had a

2025
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,039
a frequency that the uaps used to shoot

2026
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,039
down a helicopter

2027
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:13,520
um can you tell us more about that at

2028
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,480
all because i think you

2029
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:16,160
you went over there didn't you yeah look

2030
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:17,520
here here people will look at this and

2031
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,319
say oh the

2032
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,319
italy thing was some guy who who you

2033
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,400
know set fires and it was an artist look

2034
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,559
we we we saw the real file we saw the

2035
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,280
real documents and investigation

2036
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,799
and and that's simply not true people

2037
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,799
say oh that's a hoax no it's not

2038
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,160
okay you weren't there in the meetings

2039
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,799
i'm gonna say you but that we were there

2040
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,079
and what they explained was very

2041
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:38,079
interesting first of all you had these

2042
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,520
old houses on the seashore

2043
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,960
that were burning up but here's what's

2044
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,880
so interesting they still had the

2045
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,480
original copper wiring running through

2046
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:46,240
the walls for electricity and whatnot

2047
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:47,039
well right

2048
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:50,319
they were able to determine by by

2049
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,400
the the distance between the

2050
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:56,720
the the points of heat in the copper

2051
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,520
cable

2052
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,359
to determine what the frequency that was

2053
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,799
was been some sort of electromagnetic

2054
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,559
frequency that was being used

2055
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,920
and interestingly enough they thought

2056
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:05,760
that this was originally a russian sub

2057
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,799
they thought this was some sort of

2058
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,079
directed energy

2059
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,079
testing being done by a russian sub off

2060
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,839
the coast because the

2061
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,200
these things kept happening kept saying

2062
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:15,440
the same and from that they calculated

2063
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,200
the the the electromagnetic uh

2064
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,280
frequency of of what this directed

2065
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,559
energy was

2066
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:24,400
furthermore they actually evacuated a

2067
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,760
village and built this huge what looked

2068
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,880
like a faraday cage

2069
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,760
according to italian authorities to to

2070
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,200
try to really begin to start

2071
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,880
intercepting these these frequencies and

2072
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,079
figuring it out

2073
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,680
and it turns out that the helicopter

2074
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,200
that they were using which was a

2075
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,760
an undercover helicopter uh there's

2076
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,880
pictures of these

2077
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,280
things of this these objects from

2078
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,960
different perspectives

2079
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,359
following the helicopter and that when

2080
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,000
the helicopter did an emergency landing

2081
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:52,880
it had its rotor one of its rotors blown

2082
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:53,280
out

2083
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:57,440
see the it it

2084
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,160
blown out like that and you know

2085
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,079
these incidents continue to some degree

2086
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,480
after supposedly the perpetrator of

2087
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,400
these house fires was arrested

2088
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,039
so you know it's it's it's simply not

2089
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,960
true what what some people have told us

2090
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,079
at least what from our

2091
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,599
understanding of the investigation which

2092
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,280
we were privy to we actually saw the

2093
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,480
documentation

2094
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,559
and the briefing slides you know it was

2095
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,760
it was very compelling

2096
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,000
um and by the way we were briefed by the

2097
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,240
by their by their joint chiefs of staff

2098
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,760
and the former commander of their navy

2099
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,680
seals who were leading this

2100
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:30,720
investigation

2101
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,920
there's pictures from different

2102
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,440
perspectives from different people of

2103
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,039
the same object

2104
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,480
maneuvering like this all through the

2105
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,079
sky and there's actually

2106
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,160
photographs and you can see it moving

2107
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,839
with its instantaneous acceleration and

2108
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,440
hypersonic velocity

2109
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,240
so uh you know that that's that's the

2110
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,599
italian uh if you will

2111
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,839
incident that that we've made privy to i

2112
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,200
mean i've seen the program for a few

2113
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,640
times i can't remember was that footage

2114
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,760
actually in the show

2115
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:56,480
or is it not is it critically available

2116
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,520
the problem is that

2117
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,440
you know i i don't know i don't i've

2118
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:01,200
never seen it publicly available i i

2119
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,640
tell you from my perspective

2120
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,400
you know what's so frustrating when you

2121
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,760
do a tv shows

2122
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,839
we're filming on a hundred or one ratio

2123
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,799
meaning for

2124
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,039
every one minute you see on on camera

2125
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,039
you have a hundred minutes of film that

2126
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,480
you can't use because there's simply not

2127
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,359
enough time

2128
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,200
right so there's editorial decisions

2129
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,280
made by the editors by these networks to

2130
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,640
decide what's going to go in the show

2131
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,839
and what's not

2132
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,920
and unfortunately so much is left on the

2133
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:26,079
cutting room floor it's such a shame

2134
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,039
because

2135
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,440
when you see that beat if you will on

2136
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,440
the on the italian investigation

2137
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,720
you haven't seen the rest of what's

2138
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,200
going on which for me was so compelling

2139
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,119
it's like oh my god

2140
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,200
of all the stuff you're going to cut out

2141
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:41,119
you know why did you cut that out right

2142
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,000
he said well we just simply

2143
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:44,000
didn't have enough time you know so it

2144
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,599
goes back to you know advertisers and

2145
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,960
having to to make a business out of

2146
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,760
something

2147
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,920
yeah that's frustrating i can imagine

2148
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,760
but that's given me something to

2149
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,280
an angle or a direction to do some

2150
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,119
research into so thank you

2151
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,960
um and i won't keep you too much longer

2152
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,640
i know you've you've probably got a busy

2153
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,000
day ahead of you and

2154
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:03,280
that but i'll finish on uh on the jeremy

2155
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,079
corbell

2156
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:07,119
photos videos and data because there are

2157
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:07,599
two

2158
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,559
views on that then when i see it on with

2159
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:11,680
my colleagues

2160
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:15,280
um mixed reactions the the people think

2161
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,000
it's just

2162
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,000
blurry photos and they just want to see

2163
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,239
4k high resolution

2164
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,799
uh videos and photos but i always say

2165
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,560
look we get a lot of backup data with

2166
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,000
flair videos and that

2167
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:27,759
what are your views on that that thing

2168
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,640
about people just wanting to see a 4k

2169
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,960
photo and not appreciating these

2170
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,920
military

2171
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,159
videos well there are there are high

2172
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,560
definition photos that exist i'm not at

2173
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,000
liberty to discuss some on the

2174
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,719
liberty to to talk about them if they're

2175
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,000
government-sourced

2176
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:47,199
you know photos or videos um but again

2177
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,679
let me go

2178
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,880
and this is going to be frustrating i

2179
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,920
know part of your audience is going to

2180
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,199
hate me for this

2181
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,319
but our job is not there to satisfy the

2182
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,719
idle curiosity of people our job

2183
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,799
is to get our elected officials engaged

2184
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,239
on this so they can make well-informed

2185
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,679
decisions so we can finally figure this

2186
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,120
out collectively and that's exactly what

2187
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,719
we're doing what's happening

2188
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:07,040
so you know our mission accomplishment

2189
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,159
is is

2190
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,080
making sure that we have an enduring

2191
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:11,920
capability so one day you can get those

2192
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,400
4k

2193
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,120
photos but this is not we're not here to

2194
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:17,120
satisfy the idle curiosity people say

2195
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,400
that's enough lou you need to

2196
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:20,000
you need to get rid of your your

2197
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:21,040
non-disclosure agreement with the

2198
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,319
government help with everything and you

2199
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,679
know what you should go to jail for us

2200
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,480
you know

2201
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,839
well that sounds nice but you don't have

2202
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,839
a family to feed you know exactly

2203
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,679
you know it's easy for you to say you

2204
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,359
know but you could always you know

2205
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:33,440
be in my shoes homie for a minute and

2206
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,480
try what it's like

2207
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,480
it ain't easy you know it's it's a lot

2208
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:37,679
of work

2209
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:41,279
and um you know you you're risking a lot

2210
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,480
by by doing that

2211
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,560
and so you know i've i've never been

2212
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,920
once a leak information

2213
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,440
people say you know information was

2214
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,759
leaked i i never leaked information

2215
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:52,000
i know people have but i don't recommend

2216
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,600
it if you have a security clearance

2217
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,440
um you know i'm held to a different

2218
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:56,880
standard than you are

2219
01:10:00,790 --> 01:10:00,080
because it to me it's it's guilty

2220
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,800
knowledge i

2221
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,640
if i know something's classified and i

2222
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,000
talk about it

2223
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,719
i go to jail you are a civilian you

2224
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:08,080
don't have a security clearance if you

2225
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,440
talk about something and didn't know it

2226
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,560
was classified

2227
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,800
there's nothing going to happen to you

2228
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,920
nothing at all

2229
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,360
you get to live your life every day just

2230
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,199
like you normally do guys like me we go

2231
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:19,199
to jail for 20 years maybe longer

2232
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,640
i think people forget that as well and

2233
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:22,320
they just expect you to sacrifice your

2234
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,800
life

2235
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:25,040
for for the masses and i mean that's

2236
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:26,320
ridiculous

2237
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,679
well and you know honestly if we had

2238
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,280
done it that way three years ago i'm not

2239
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,199
sure we'd be this far down the road

2240
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,800
yeah i think it would just be a blip on

2241
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,239
the radar and you know

2242
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,520
some in you know prisoner number uh and

2243
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:39,280
and we would not be where we are today

2244
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,800
again we have to be very

2245
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,480
deliberate how we do this i'm not trying

2246
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,640
to be destructive i'm trying to be

2247
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,239
constructive

2248
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,400
that's that's why this is conversation

2249
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,000
is is happening the way it is

2250
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:52,400
i'm not trying to tear anything down i'm

2251
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:53,280
trying to to

2252
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,040
to fix it no of course and i'm gonna ask

2253
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,199
you one final question and it

2254
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,199
probably is a little bit cheeky but i'm

2255
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:02,640
gonna ask anyway we were just talking

2256
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,520
about the 4k

2257
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,840
photos there is this one photo that

2258
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,360
everybody's been talking about for quite

2259
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,360
some time now showing

2260
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,120
reportedly showing a black triangle

2261
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,440
that's come out of the ocean

2262
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:16,080
have you seen that photo i can't discuss

2263
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,640
it

2264
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,440
okay no worries i thought i'd ask

2265
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:21,360
questions

2266
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,840
well lou i can just not thank you enough

2267
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,199
for being here and

2268
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,920
and let me ask you these questions um

2269
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,600
very my sincere pleasure

2270
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:31,679
i i hope i didn't bore you or you or

2271
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:34,560
your audience too much

2272
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,760
you know i i sometimes i i i tend to

2273
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,760
wear my mind on my sleeve

2274
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,280
maybe sometimes i'm a little bit too

2275
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:43,280
candid so if i've offended anybody it's

2276
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,640
certainly not my intent

2277
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:47,120
you've certainly not offended me okay

2278
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,760
well i

2279
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,560
you know i try to i tried to be

2280
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:51,440
cognizant of that

2281
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,920
try to try to be aware of that i know

2282
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,400
not everybody necessarily

2283
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:59,199
appreciates you know a military person

2284
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,679
or

2285
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,920
you know someone who wears their you

2286
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,320
know their patriotism on their sleeve i

2287
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,520
i do i do this this country my my family

2288
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,520
coming as my father's side all

2289
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:11,600
immigrants and and and being in exile

2290
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,880
now from cuba

2291
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:15,600
uh you know this country's been been

2292
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:16,800
fantastic for us

2293
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:19,840
and you know i i i am i am proud i'm

2294
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,320
proud of

2295
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:22,159
of of the people i had a chance to work

2296
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,600
with and for and

2297
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,640
and the jobs i had a chance to do and um

2298
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,719
you know i hope i hope that doesn't come

2299
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,840
across

2300
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,480
uh as as militant because as much as i

2301
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:34,159
love our military i'm not necessarily a

2302
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,280
militant guy

2303
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,719
of course it doesn't come across that

2304
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:38,800
way you know i much prefer a handshake

2305
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:39,360
than

2306
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,679
and and i think

2307
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:48,239
even after today this interview and even

2308
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,719
after

2309
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,560
the the report comes out i think there's

2310
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,480
still going to be a million questions

2311
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,760
that people are going to want to ask you

2312
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:55,360
so i'd love to invite you back on in the

2313
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,239
future

2314
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,480
and the door is always open for you here

2315
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,920
um we love you and we

2316
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,040
we want to thank you for all the work

2317
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:03,360
that you're doing anytime and thank you

2318
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,080
for what you're doing

2319
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,480
this is so important this is this is not

2320
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,400
lip service i mean i am telling you for

2321
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,080
a matter of fact we would not be having

2322
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,760
this conversation today

2323
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,679
if it wasn't folks for like you and your

2324
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,840
audience who are engaging on this topic

2325
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,960
you've really made a

2326
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,560
look you made a difference this is this

2327
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,560
is a there's a ground swell

2328
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:23,120
occurring there's a grassroots movement

2329
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,679
and and

2330
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,440
and our governments are paying attention

2331
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:27,199
to it even now in the uk

2332
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,719
they're beginning to start to warm up to

2333
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,239
the idea that hey maybe we should start

2334
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,679
be looking at this again and start

2335
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,800
talking to

2336
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,520
our citizens it's it's working it's

2337
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:36,640
actually happening

2338
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:39,520
so so huge congratulations and a big

2339
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,080
thanks to

2340
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,840
to to you all as well for doing what

2341
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:43,600
you're doing thank you that's very kind

2342
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,640
of you to say and it's

2343
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,360
it's my pleasure so um guys thank you

2344
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,880
everybody that's been here live with us

2345
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,000
and for everybody that may come and

2346
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,440
watch us in the future

2347
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,920
um thank you so much like i said i'm

2348
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,199
always i'm new to this

2349
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:57,440
i'm a bit nervous i may get better over

2350
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,640
time but

2351
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,239
you could afford me yeah you don't seem

2352
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,480
nervous a bit you seem like i i i hit it

2353
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,400
where my mood's steady

2354
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,360
thank you right well then yeah i'm gonna

2355
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,199
end this broadcast here guys so

2356
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:11,360
um oh what i will say is go and join mr

2357
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,960
max muskowitz over on his youtube

2358
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,000
channel he's interviewing ryan

2359
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:16,080
sprague so that's where i'm gonna go